Yeah I'm looking forward to what is coming as well.
And I agree that their need to be more worlds building major or minor war ships.
The experienced peopled could also be a source of political and social upheaval.
AND I do remember at least one world that wasn't to happy to be liberated, they could be a major source of annoyance, maybe even start a war.
I really feel sorry for anyone who actively attempts to start a war against Earth, especially when the people of that planet find out that the Earth's Main Admiral fired off multiple world breaker JKKV's at the Jung...
We need to see more of Sol's Alliance, but its hard to bring all of that backstory into the new telling of a war so far away from them. Of course we can ask for more info on the PC worlds too, but besides more name dropping there isn't really all that much more that we need to know for the story to make sense... (apart from the lack of other apparent production capacity of the Alliance)
I am curious as to what Princess Takara has been doing in the last while since the attack on the Ghatazach world. Is she coordinating between the crews of the ships and the civilians they took on? getting to know their abilities and assigning tasks?
New point of contention! When Gillardi was in charge of the EDF he had plans within plans. He had the Defenders, the Aurora, the Eagles, the moon base, the ground forces dug in, rebel operations that he ordered but was specifically not to know of, and he had the greatest military and scientist minds killed to deny them to the enemy. He had the Scout ships FTL capable and scouting the nearby systems, conducting infiltration missions.
So Far we know he has build out the Space Port Terra. Built the new battleship. Continued the production of Destroyers, Cobras and Super Eagles. He built up and is looking for more JKKV's, he has build a number of stations to launch these from.
We know he forced out the PC people from the Alliance general forces (but did he? wouldn't the majority of these people have wanted to go home anyway after the war?) We know that there are infiltrators on the Jung Homeworld. I assume that those operatives were handed over to Alliance Intelligence.
What plan's are we not seeing? what hidden traps has he lay at Sol or elsewhere in the Alliance? Does he have additional production facilities stockpiling Jump Missiles / JKKV's / Jump ships? with the recruiting done in the last 7 years, it could be possible to have two completely disparate Alliance forces, the public face and the secreted reserve force, for special operations. why else would you cull so many experience staff early on, to switch up the command structure of the Alliance in such a way as to hide a second force behind cutaways and partitions in the organisation. Cameron would not have stood for that so she was kept on the Aurora as part of the first fleet, patrolling, and out of Gillardi's web.
With the construction of Port Terra how much construction capacity was tucked away off-world to create a new hidden Asteroid base?
All good points, here's another: how much power will he lose if Nathan is revealed as being alive or is Gilliardi going to claim that as his invention?
we'll see what happens!
Gillardi could claim that
1) The apparent rescue of Nathan Scott was done by a faction of the Alliance that has been weeded out.
2) That That rescue however much wanted by all in the Alliance, went against what Na'Tan stood for, and could have restarted the war almost as soon as it ended.
3) That Nathan Scott betrayed the Earth by agreeing to be Cloned because of what the Jung would do when they found out about it.
4) That Nathan Scott cares more for the PC and the idea of an Alliance more then the faith of his own home world (that one would be for Earth only as most of the other worlds might like him for it, but it could be angled that if Nathan would let worlds die for the whole where would it stop, with X planet? Y planet?)
Of course all of that is passing the blame, and will only divide the Alliance further. Which is what Gillardi does these days. And I cant wait to see what happens when the news hits the newscasts!!!
Speaking of which - FanFiction
A News caster on Corinar details damage caused in the attack on the City earlier that week, Showing all the most recent Webcast images and video, and the better quality, if more ~tailored~ material provided by the Dushan about those rebellious factions that attacked the capital city of a Dushan occupied world, without justification. The the camera moves in to a close up of the Lead Anchor, "And we appear to have confirmation that the recent attacks on the City were lead by this man, Connor Tuplo (Insert Picture) The Lead Anchor looks at the picture, double takes, stares at the picture, Someone off camera gasps, Another cheers. Someone to the back of the room, a woman with a fit physique, dark hair and a slight limp quietly exits the studio.
Throughout Corinar people run into the streets cheering, others go to attics, basements, backrooms to prepare for the war ahead. The Dushan Guard at the Spaceports are doubled, then tripled as they become more aware of the prevailing mood on Corinar - and later that day, 5 light years away a decision is made. "Cleanse them"
Indeed that would be lord Dusahn's decision.
I wasn't aware of any fanfiction 🙂 but then again I'm reading The Terran Privateer right now.
I've got to say. Best book of the series so far. I think this beat The head of the Dragon.
I think Telles is getting too soft though.
I also believe that the battles between the jump capable ships are far too simple so far. All of the Dusahn ships have not jumped whilst being targets which is unrealist and these battles have resulted in a very similar condition to before the Jung had jump technology.
I am curious as to what will emerge from the new personality of Conathan. Ryk could take it a few different directions and I'm not sure which I would prefer.
The Dushan, were caught flat footed. Its likely that they have not engaged in combat against comparative resistance before. They were using new technologies and tactics to them.
While some worked and were useful, others failed or were badly employed, or in the case of the Jump drop pods, employed to long, to close to a well fortified position and resulted in a wasting failing strategy, where they banged their collective heads against the Wall of Ghatazach fire.
Ship wise, in fairness they did not need to jump away for the most part, so they didn't have the finger on the escape jump button. (if they have one) and they have been trained to use this technology. The Alliance learned by doing under desperation, so while the Pilot of the Aurora would take the initiative to Escape jump if necessary, maybe the Dushan would not be tolerant of that kind of action in its officers.
Also its possible that because the Dushan have been so long without major conflict (I'm guessing here) that maybe the Captains of their ships have become complacent or entrenched to the point of not seeing the danger or not wanting to see it in space combat. Meaning that while younger officers might see the danger and know to jump away, maybe a older captain could have overruled them.
Following the Takaran, and Avandalh's battles, you would assume that the Dushan fleet would have learn a few things about space combat but apparently not, they had jumped away more in those battles, but those actions would have been planned out before hand.
The Dushan ship lost during the attack on the Gatazach world was the big fish, it was only when their collision alarms went off that they would have known they were under attack worth worrying about, and they would not have had long to worry Due to the nature of space they had no way of telling the mass of those crates and the danger they were in. Besides they were distracted. They were organizing a landing operation, They were ordering Flights of Fighters, they were screening off enemy fighters with their own guns, perhaps they did not see the danger in a few cargo crates. They also may not have had a clear jump line of sight, if the enemy fighters or their own fighters and jump pods were in the way. Being the C&C position, they would have to inform their forces of the situation, and maybe the delay was all it took to trap them.
In the later battle of Corinair, with the superior numbers, with backup on route, the Dushan fought a defensive battle and won the Corinarian sky's although with losses. Although the Alliance/Rebel Forces achieved all of there objectives and the Dushan forces were heavily mauled, they held Corinair and drove off the attackers.
Due to the relative lack of actual Jump battle experience, and the Alliance's welt of it, there is a very good chance that the Alliance would be the more experienced and there for better space force right now. But in time, with the small size of the PC, and the ability of the Dushan to take advantage of Old Light, that may soon change. As we have seen the Dushan are well capable of planning a battle before hand and then implementing it. With the Dushan being seen as inexperienced in Jump battle tactic's, it is possible that the Alliance could fall into well a thought out Dushan trap.
Also in the Jung battles we have seen previously, it was experienced Captains or Admirals using there own understanding of tactics in battle with the Alliance. As such it was awhile into a battle before you would see things like running jump/ftl battles. but they happened. They were the result of skilled professionals applying tactics appropriate to a situation they faced. A lot of what you didn't like about the Dushan response to the Aurora's attack at Corinair was due to surprise and more then likely the rigid control of a leader who was focused on different priorities. If Aware of the Aurora before the first strike, and correctly prioritizing the destruction or capture of the Aurora, then their actions wwould have been more "exciting". but thats unfair to blame on someone dealing with complex actions with timelate data.
In future, the Dushan will place a bounty on the Aurora. It will be interesting to see if the Dushan with there full fleet gathered will be as big as or bigger then the original Takaran fleet they faced, or the following Jung fleets 🙂
The Dusahn would have known the Aurora if they have jump technology and have been contacted by Dubnyk. I have very little belief that their sheer arrogance was enough for them noto to try and stop the aurora at all costs before it escaped. No capital ship of the Dusahn has moved since they jumped into battle which makes little strategic sense. they could have surrounded the aurora when it was recovering the Seikki. Granted you have to manouver first but this was not even attempted. Their sole concentration was taking the ground troops. It is also possible to jump a jump pod into the auroras hanger. With people with such disregard for human life I am surprised that they would not try that when they are in need of further expansion. I was just hoping for more especially with talk of them having jump missiles which I am sure was mentioned but need to check.
Tactical question, why can you just jump a missile inside a ship? Game over every time.
When you fly you travel at X speed in Y direction over T time.
With Jump Drives you are still travelling at X speed in Y direction, but the T for time is removed but the effects of the jump drive, that is why you are still moving at the same speed and in the same direction after the jump.
Anything inside the field travels together. The energy dumped into the field and the spread of that energy over the entire field determine the distance covered by the jump. But you still technically pass though the same area of space as FTL travel would, only for no time, instead of very very little time as with ftl.
If a small asteroid was in your way then it would crash though the jump field to the point of now being inside your jump field so it is only moving "relatively" fast and hit your shields/hull. The energy displaced from the jump field by the passage of the asteroid would disrupt the jump at about the same time you crash into the asteroid.
The Funny thing is because of jump drives we now have a greater awareness of the important parts of the galaxy, but no idea what is between them! (FTL scans would pick up rogue planets and asteroids, which would be navigational hazards, Jumps are with no idea if anything is in your way. In the future we might see large fleets jump together from A and only half of the fleet arrive, with the entire center of the formation missing, as if a large circle was drawn on the formation and those ships inside it removed)
SO yeah - For a missile the shields/hull of a ship would do the same thing, disrupting the jump field and cause the missile to crash out of ump and into the hull of the target - if it hit it. The reason the jump missiles appear close to targets is so that they can do the last minute maneuvering that makes for a clean hit as apposed to being disrupted by smashing into the antenna mast and causing the Jung screens to go all fuzzy.
We don't know what the Dushan know about the Aurora. We don't know what the Dushan in the PC know about jump battle tactics of the Alliance. they may have killed everyone on the Dubnik shuttle and figured out the jump drive from taking scans of that shuttle. They may not have escape jumps, they may require large amounts of time specifically charging for their larger ships to jump any meaningful distance.
It is clear that they were caught flatfooted a number of times. It is also clear that it is easier to turn a ship about to engage a dead-stick craft (like the Seikki in the scene you chose as an example) then to try to turn to engage a jump ship. Strategy wise, to the Dushan, the Aurora may have been trying to draw your ships away from over-watch on a developing ground attack. by staying on-station they kept orbital superiority above the city, denying the Rebels the ability to bring in more ground troops on larger transports (if they had them). The Aurora jumped away from the battle and held position in such a way that the Dushan would need a minute to find them.
What you see as stupid, is actually reasoned strategy. unfortunately it is the wrong strategy to have implied in these cases. Again the Training that the Dushan have undergone, would have conditioned them for certain kinds of fighting. It will take time for them to wake up to the new paradigm. Then it will get really interesting!!!
Besides its early days yet, we have to build to the really difficult battles.
The Dusahn are spread to thin, they have taken too many systems without the necessary ships and troops to really hold them.
It might be a good idea for them to withdraw from some of them and go about and raid them every now and then while they build up their fleet in Takara.
They really should have worked up to taking over the entire PC, maybe take over a few smaller outlying worlds, then in a few years attack the PC. I guess the main reason that the Dushan attacked when they did was because if they didn't attack then, they would not have been able to overwhelm the Alliance / Takaran presents in the region. The Takaran fleet was growing, The Alliance fleet in the Sol Sector was growing and could have supplied ships to the PC.
It is possible that the Dushan fleet we see is the maximum fleet they could build / maintain with the resources that they had. Bearing in mind that they likely have been travelling for 100 years to get the majority of the way the the PC, before picking up the Jump Tech and modifying their fleet. Maybe they do not have construction docks to make new ships? What if the Dushan saw the plausibility of being found years from now and being the little guy? So they had to attack because to not attack would effectively render them obsolete?
The takaran fleet wasn't growing, it was stagnating thanks to the Avendal.
And I didn't mean not attack, the Avendal had to go, I meant not occupy!
The Frontier Saga's future is totally up to Ryk. It comes out of his mind. If it were coming out of my mind I would keep these following things in the forefront of my mind.
1. There have been many Jung operatives on earth for a very long time. There is no reason whatsoever that the Dusahn could not also have operatives on earth for a very long time. If one of these operatives wanted a LOT of power and influence for his Lord and was patient, how would he go about it?
2. If this Dasahn operative WAS successful and gained a lot of power and influence, do you think he would be interested in earth helping to destroy the Jung? How would he do that?
3. Wouldn't this Dasahn operative do everything he could to stop earth from interfering in a Dasahn invasion? How would he do that?
4. It has been suggested that the Dasahn have jump drives but the Jung do not. Where did the Dasahn get the jump drive technology from? Has there ever been a jump drive stolen by someone who was always looking for advantages to further his own ambitions?
5. If #4 happened, where did this thief go with the jump drive ship?
6. How did Lord Dasahn know about the Jung being defeated by a "Boy Captain with a single ship"? Who told him?
These things have yet to be revealed from Ryk's mind. I am anxiously awaiting to see what comes next.
The Takaran's were building a Battleship, from the ground up to be a Jump/ZPED Battleship. It would have been a game changer. They had been slow-playing it but they were still working on it.
As far as I'm aware the Takaran's are the only people not Alliance to have Jump and ZPED Tech. which means that the Dushan now have a level playing field with the Alliance (you know ignoring the 300+ Fast Attack Ships.
