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 Gary
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So why did Conner have to kick the bucket when his brain was sucked out? First time Nathans brain was sucked girl power had to shank him.

Great read, enjoyed watching our little one playing with her Xmas gifts as I read it. It seemed to be a very quick read.

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So much for my self-imposed desire to drag this out by reading a chapter a day. Essentially stayed up all night, and then finished Resurrection this morning. I'm ready for the next one!

Gary, I think it was stated that they drew the line at having only one clone alive at a time. When they copied Nathan's personality they didn't have a body to place it into.

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I don't normally like anything "clone" in my books but this was well done. I also really enjoyed the interaction between Nathan and Jess. Now Nathan just needs a shave and a haircut and it's back to business. Looking forward to the next book.

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 Gary
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Just reread the end. Is Conner dead? Hmmm...

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I may be incorrect, but I believe that the reason Nathan remained alive when Jessica and Tellus copied his consciousness in "Rescue" was because they were doing exactly that: copying his consciousness rather than transferring it. The process we see in "Resurrection" is the latter rather than the former. It's an actual consciousness transferal rather than a copying, leaving Connor a comatose clone rather than a person because the consciousness was transferred into the new Nathan.

However, I do wonder whether we'll see something later concerning Connor and the clone laboratory. While Doctor Sato does confirm that it's destruct charges have been set, we don't see an actual detonation of those charges to confirm the destruction of Connor's body or the laboratory. Nor do we see someone recovering the chip holding all the cloning files from Doctor Megel's body when he dies during the evacuation to the Seiiki.

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Excellent read with promising ending but also lots of questions raised. As in: "The Dusahn invasion was too precise. They must have had good intelligence prior to the Attack." Well, you don't say. On Burgess? With all the moves to hide old light trails, there has to be a mole...

Also, when the Seiiki (Mirai) first landed near the cloning facility on Corinair, there was no sign of the Dusahn, a full minute or two after Jessica, Connor and the doctors had parachuted down. But, when the Seiiki returned to pick them back up, the Dusahn almost instantly appeared again, just like the first time in the crystal cavern.

And, when the Dusahn battleship shows up at the end, after the cruiser was destroyed by the Aurora, why did the ship itself go after the heavily damaged dead-stick Seiiki rather than the much deadlier fully-armed Aurora? Good intelligence again? How?

"There is Something far more complex, far more sinister going on." ... "I can only conclude that Command knows the Jung ships in the Pentaurus cluster are operated by the Dusahn, and have decided not to release that information, even to us." What is Galiardi's game?

The series title is "Rogue Castes". Number 1 are the Dusahn; will there be others to contend with? Will the Jung castes split up again?

One has to believe that there will not be just one rebellion in "Rebellion"...

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They followed the Seiki to burgess after Rescue, that was stated when the Lord sent his own troops to attack the planet, but they did not know there were Gatazhak there, they did not expect the level of resistance they got so it wasn't that precise, just overwhelming and powerful. The Seiki did not land the first time, they jumped in at the same time the other units were jumping in dropping leaflets and guns, Jess, Connor, and the doctors parachuted in. The second time the jumped in when the new Dushan units came into orbit and were sending in their drop pods to any enemy jump, and at the moment the Seikie was the only jump on the plane as everyone else was jumping away. AS for why they went after the seiki, it jumped right in front of them, the Aurora was out of range monitoring until it caught the mayday.

Galiardi, i am not sure, i have assumed he was brainwashed while in captivity, and i wonder now if it was by another rouge agent... Or quite frankly he could just be a power hungry short sighted a@@hole, with an over inflated sense of his superiority and no concept that he could ever be wrong or defeated... we have enough evidence that those type of people can come to power with no help from outside influence like brainwashing...

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Gillardi probably keep the Dushan side of the story quiet because if he said it was them not the jung then he might not get the support he needed to level the playing field against the local jung elements. By hiding the disconnect between the Dushan and the Jung he was able to take out was it 12 military facilities? That would make the Alliance construction efforts faster then the jung. But still leave the Alliance far behind the Jung in terms of ship numbers. It's unfortunatelyour a bad move beca useful now the real jung will splinter again and more castes decide the Alliance is too dangerous to them. Gillardi just fudged earth good.

The Seiiki is a bigger target then the fighters. It's likely they jumped it for fear of its suspected capabilities. Also it was clearly on a mission if it was hanging around longer then the ground and air units. I wouldn't want it succeeding if I were the Dushan Commander

As to the initial invasion intel of the PC. The Dushanbe could have done the same jump in /cold coasting scouting that Josh hated so much that would give them a lot of info to plan their attacks. If not perfect Intel. Also the Alliance was not expecting to be attacked/scouted so they were not looking.

Also Morrisay Inn or Morrissey for my name sake? Idle speculation!?!

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 Dave
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Gillardi was captured by the Jung for a LOOOONG time... who is to say his actions/interest lie with protecting Earth?

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Never underestimate the ability of a hierarchical system to promote inapt people to high office

I've unfortunately forgotten who said that.

Joke aside, Gilliardi is neither incompetent nor stupid, he is in fact rather brilliant.
Analyzing the situation correctly and knowing he could not defend the earth he invented a plan for a durable resistance and even found a way to hide some of his ships .... and stash away enough weapons and enough people of the leading elites to begin anew once the earth had been liberated.
I think he could not envision the Jung would glass over the earth and re-terraform it, but I guess that was too horrific a vision.

No, the truth I think is far simpler and twofold:

1.) He wants revenge. No questions asked, no quarter given. He simply wants the Jung GONE, because they hurt him, his home, killed people he knew and cared for, and so on. A pure and simple basic emotion, hate, coupled with the desire to exact revenge and hurt them.

2.) He is basicaly running for office. As Benjamin Netanjahu got reelected to prime minister by bombing the Gaza Strip (Not going into the question of right or wrong here, just sticking to the facts) and so appearing strong, Gilliardi is doing the same in regards of the Jung. He is in the fortunate position of NOT needing to be in office to appear as the saviour of the earth.

Therefore he is consistant in his demanding the abandonment of the Pentarus Cluster. If he would send ships there to save other alliance members it would raise doubts about how much of a threat the Jung in the Sol Sector really are.

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Its Tactically and Strategically stupid not to scout an active enemy threat. The Dushan are an Active Enemy Threat, they have attacked Allies and are on the old Jung War path!

Gillardi is probably right to keep his forces close at hand, he has very few Capital Ships. Those Destroyers, Cobra's and Super Eagles are the Bulk of his fleet. There is only one Cruiser and two Battleships in his force and that force is spread thin!

I think it might have been better strategically speaking to build and fast track Cruisers rather then jumping to build that new Battleship. But if the Dushan get ZPED's then it might be very handy indeed!

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I didn't say it was a very intelligent move, militarily or diplomatically, I said it was understandable and tried to explain his motives.

As to what will happen once the Dusahn (or is it Dushan?) built up their forces .... Gilliardi is an old man, he will be probably dead by than, so I'd say, he doesn't really care.

BTW:
HOW did they get their hands on a Jump drive? If they left the empire centuries ago there is no way they would have heard of the Jung-Alliance war or what it entailed .... I think that captain from the past (whose name I have forgotten), the one that stole a jump shuttle gave it to them.

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I dont think that Gillardi is thinking about the Dushan all that much right now (Besides cursing them), I'd say he is more focused in how to kill the Jung Dragon he just kicked in the face, before it burns him.

I wonder if if would be a good idea to give the Jung Jump Tech now as a way of apologizing for the attack / stopping the new war they started, Or if they would ask for Gillardi's head and the jump tech to stave off war (until the Jung fleet is Jump equipped)

If the Jung hear that Nathan Scott is alive, I dont think that they would except Jump tech and Gillardi's head in trade for peace, it would be a slap in the face to them that they (what with the JKKV attacks) would just not except.

The next thing I would do if I were the Dushan, is give Jump tech to the Jung Empire.

I think that Gillardi has with what I assume has been the Dushan's plan has doomed the greater part of the Alliance to a devastating war. (The Jung too, but they are harder to care about)

I imagine that the Dushan (I have terrible spelling) when they split from the Jung, had left behind sleeper agents, and had sympathizers in the Jung population who could forward Intel to them. Thought it likely took years to hear about anything.

We do not know where the Dushan are based, & it doesn't help trying to narrow down a possible location with my suspicions that it was the Dushan who infiltrated Sol Alliance space because of the Jump Drives they have. It could be near or far. It Could be on the far side of the Sol Sector from the Jung Empire!

The Jump drive was discovered initially because of a sensor glitch when testing out a duel shielding system that failed. Its not outside the realm of reason that someone else made the same discovery. In fact as the Dushan were I assume pushed out to the edge of know space they would have more reason to do additional weapons research!

I believe that the Dushan reside in a region of space near to the Sol Pentarus Corridor, and that they either detected Jump Traffic of the Alliance or that Captain Dubnik was able to find them. I wouldn't be to surprised to see him again in a few chapters, either with the Dushan, the Jung or with a new people.

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Dubnik!!!
That was his name, thanks!

Yeah I also think we'll see him again.

As far as Gilliardi is concerned, the easiest way to kill the Jung dragon is genocide!
And no one with two brain cells to rub together would give the Jung jump drive technology.

For the Dusahn:
Do they really need a home base? Could they not be stationed on one or more generational ships and all we have seen so far is their warships? Based on the assumption, that they'd need more jump pins to get their big mother ships jumping.

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Genocide has never been a good idea, It worked for the Dusahn on Ybara to the point that we do not know howmany Ybaran's were not on that planet. There are always survivors who will likely end up devoting everything to hitting you right back. That kind of undeterred opponent is at the least an annoyance. The Alliance and Earth in Particular does not need that kind of attention.

I would be happy for the Dusahn to have a Fleet of Mother-ships that they have been roaming the galaxy in, gate crashing every system they happened to find on the way. It would also make tracking their Homeworld" more difficult. And if after extensive overhaul they install Jump drives on this Mothership / Fleet then that could be a cool Battlestar Galactica Twist as the Alliance tries to hunt down the fleeing colonists!

I have to say I'm looking forward to seeing what construction efforts are underway in the Alliance that we have not seen yet!
The general Development of the outer worlds
The Development of Vehicle/Ship Construction and Personnel Training Facilities
The Production of Alliance Vessels and Smaller units like Fighters, Combat Shuttles, Cobra's and up to Capital Ships.

It just doesn't seem right that after 7 years that only Earth and Tau Ceti are producing Capital ships, and other Alliance vehicles. I'd like to hear about some of the outer worlds rebuilding their space facilities (Former Jung Occupied facilities likely having been forcibly removed from existence) and possibly starting to build vehicles up to Destroyers size now as well. With The fact that the Jung had occupied those outer regions longer then any others, it is likely that some of the indigenous populations gained experience with space activities, and with lesser Jung ranked people probably retired and/or joining local rebellions on those other worlds we will likely have at least a few experienced people out there.

If There are other worlds available to build lesser craft then the big worlds could focus on the bigger ships like Cruisers and Battleships. I mean a 50 Light Year Radius is a lot of space to cover with as far as I can recall 2x Battleships, 10+- Destroyers and 350+ Cobra's, even if they are all jump craft!

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