Y'all do realize the Capt. Dubnyk's real name will come out one of the original Jung founders. He will be elevated to almost emperor status once his claim is proven to be authentic.
At least that's the way I see things. And there will be other revelations come to light. Mr. Brown has never failed us.
Ryk,
I am about through Escalation, and I find myself disappointed and slightly confused. I don't recall Nathan's actual execution. The last I knew was him turning himself over to the Jung. True, Nathan's execution is highly likely, but not a certainty. As I recall, Nathan's surrender was made a prerequisite of any peace largely at the behest of one very pissed-off Jung admiral. No doubt the Jung Empire recognizes the danger of creating a powerful martyr so there's no proof (as I recall) of Nathan's death. Rather, I suspect the Jung has said nothing about Nathan's fate, and the Alliance is in ASSumption mode again.
I bring that up because the problem with Escalation is that there's nothing holding the Alliance together really. The Alliance is now reminding me of a box of loose rocks. Each means well, but there isn't any coordination yet because they lack any sort of robust communication infrastructure. Nathan's almost reluctant charisma was a primary mover in building the Alliance, and I have no doubt that, if Nathan was still around, Aurora would've popped over to the Pentarus cluster at least once for a scan simply because Nathan's gut would insist. Vladimir summed the difference between Cameron and Nathan as Aurora captains quite well. Nathan had the instincts required to command a ship of the line far from home, while Cam, by inference, is restricted by her logical mindset. I cannot see her developing the mantel of authority necessary to generate loyalties, certainly not enough to induce continued coordination between Pentarus and Sol.
Some hypothesize a connection between Nathan and Tuplo. Never say never, but I can't see it. Tuplo is far too passive to simply be a mind-wiped Nathan. It seems to me that Rescue will mainly be about getting Dumar et. al. out of hock. Ok, that's something, but Dumar will have little influence left in Sol.
Thus, I find that there's no one likeable character binding Part 2 so far. I hope something changes while I'm still interested.
Scott
@dsroyall56 Yeah, a couple of us found Escalation a little flat. Rescue makes up for it. They read a lot better as a double length episode. Tuplo could be a much cooler character in Episode 1 but with everything that was happening, everything that was mentioned in the first episode, we just didn't see enough of him. In retrospect, after reading Rescue as well, Tuplo is a good character that has room to grow and become someone special!
I finished Escalation last night, and it's tempting to just delete my previous post as I missed on multiple salient points. Oh well. I still have trouble reconciling Tuplo's cautious nature with his "true" identity, In any case, we suddenly went from none to at least one too many (including the one in the Ronni labs). Geez Louise! Stuff like this is what happens when you have eager groups of smart people acting without any real coordination.
Tuplo is a good character that has room to grow and become someone special!
A room or maybe just a large jar, it's all good.
I don't know if we're doing spoilers here or not, but something is puzzling me.
The stated plan is to transfer Nathan's consciousness from Tuplo to the third clone, which has been genetically altered to better accept the data dump. Does anybody else see a flaw in that scenario? Using Telles' computer analogy, Tuplo has the full package but lacks the associative mappings necessary to access Nathan's memories. If that's the case, transferring the whole mess to Nathan #3 won't magically fix the broken links because Tuplo's copy doesn't have them. It will literally be garbage in, garbage out. Loading an incomplete program into a better computer won't complete the program. Therefore, I don't see Tuplo going peaceably into oblivion even if they do get the other clone out alive.
I think that they put everything that was Nathan into Connor after 2 years so there was little to no decay.
Connor's Brain Pathways were different to Nathan's, because Brains are though to get right.
Connors' Brain had the memories of Nathan locked down.
Nathan's Memories are to be transferred from Connor to Clone 2 who's brain will hopefully have the correct pathways to allow him to be a viable Nathan.
To be fair, Connor when he was first woken up was Nathan with a bad case of Migraine, because of the memories / brain pathways stuff. so we know its all in there.
I am worried however about the fact that they have not picked up the clone yet and don't seem to have an easy answer to how they would do that.
The Jung with their Phase Three Nanites could make that Clone 2 walk and talk... It will be interesting to see if we get that later in Part 2.
Think of it like a hard drive. Hard drives store data, sure, however it's more complicated than that. On each hard drive there is also a file system that indexes the beginning, end, and length of all data pieces on the hard drive. Without a file system in place, the data is on the drive, but your computer has no idea which pieces fit together, or where they begin and end. It's just a bunch of 1s and 0s. When they put Nathan's memories into Tuplo, he didn't get the file system, he only received the data. His brain then came up with a way to piece together some pieces of the data, but not all. In the new clone, they have the file system ready and waiting with a blank hard drive. They just need to copy that data alongside the new file system.
I understand your reasoning but respectfully disagree. Yes, a blank drive still is divided into sectors and there's space set aside for indices, but that's it. The operating system is what writes the data and then puts some form of meaningful pointer to it in the table of contents. That's Tuplo's problem, he has the memories without the relational pointers. The other clone is likely easier to load, but how will it know which memories should be linked to what, Bear in mind that humans create memories by associations. Each memory is associated with a specific event or stimulus, with the association being made automatically at the time. If Tuplo's consciousness doesn't have those connections, Nathan #3 won't have the information necessary to create those relational pointers correctly.
The operating system is what writes the data and then puts some form of meaningful pointer to it in the table of contents
Yeah... what you are describing is a file system, sort of. It's not the OS that creates the pointers. The OS knows nothing of physical data storage. It only knows the virtual file system as defined by the file system in use. The file system itself handles those virtual to physical reference points.
What you are referring to now is the firmware in a drive, and unfortunately it's nowhere near as intelligent as it might seem to you. The drive doesn't have a clue about the context of what it's reading and writing. In fact, most of the commands sent to the drive's electronics by the OS consists of three parts, the opcode (write, read), the target sector(s), and a pointer to the head of a block of memory where the actual data is either to be read from or copied to.
What's the value of a memory fragment if you don't know what experience it's a part of? That's Tuplo's problem, and I don't see how the other clone would do better because part of the information is missing from the data set. Of course, if the PCCD hasn't been disconnected from power, another copy of Nathan's consciousness is right there. So all is not lost yet. Then again, we may find the other clone dead or missing, meaning Tuplo might be the solution after all. He needs a way to run SCANDISK on his head to rebuild those absent links. 🙂
Naturally, Ryk may just gloss over the whole matter and declare success by fiat. However, he doesn't strike me as being that cheesy.
And by the way, computers have been a part of my reality since 1979.
I see it as a language issue. Say Nathans Memories form an English text file. Connor speaks French. There is a relationship between the two languages, but it is very faint. Connor has the English text file in his head, and he could reproduce it, but its not something that works for him. The third Clone speaks English and when they take that English text file from Connor Clone 2 can read it just like Nathan could have.
I look at it like that because the truth of the matter is I've no idea how you would go about putting memories into someone else's head. This is further complicated by my thinking that brains grow and mature as you grow, so the 5 years Connor's been walking about would have corrupted those partitioned memories of Nathan's in his head. So I think a true Nathan clone is impossible now, but a b*st*rdised Nathan/Connor Hybrid might be possible.
Yes, we agree that Connor's memories have altered. Memories have a way of doing that even without cloning. I also think we're going to stick with a Nathan/Connor hybrid, because something is going to happen to that third clone.
FoursIslands pretty much nailed it.
