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Episode 13: Discussion and Speculation

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(@leenewsum)
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<DIV class=et_right_quote>Hi all just done 1-12 Audiobooks i see episode 13 is “comeing soon” wold the audiobook be out at that time? more likely 1-2 months later.
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<P>@leenewsum, the audio books for the current series are typically on a delay. That being said, Ryk has indicated that one of the benefits of him getting 3-4 episodes of part two complete before episode 1 is released is that the ebook and audio book will be released at the same time.</P>
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"typically on a delay" what is that time? 1-2 months? more?
and yes i see his plan.

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 mike
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Hey guys,

So I'm not sure if this had been covered but why haven't Nathan et al not used the jump drive as a kinetic weapon similar to the FTL probes? The whole understanding of the jump drive is that if you jump through a solid object then both objects are destroyed or damaged, like the example Ryk uses in regards to the Aurora jumping through a sun. So why not just fit an asteroid with some jump emitters and a power plant and point it in the direction you need it? Screw FTL probes, they cause a massive explosion as it's an object striking another object, but theoretically if a jump equipped ship passed through another ship it was just cause a piece of the ship to just disappear, no collateral explosion necessary AND there is no time lag.

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(@leenewsum)
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Hey guys,
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<P>So I’m not sure if this had been covered but why haven’t Nathan et al not used the jump drive as a kinetic weapon similar to the FTL probes? The whole understanding of the jump drive is that if you jump through a solid object then both objects are destroyed or damaged, like the example Ryk uses in regards to the Aurora jumping through a sun. So why not just fit an asteroid with some jump emitters and a power plant and point it in the direction you need it? Screw FTL probes, they cause a massive explosion as it’s an object striking another object, but theoretically if a jump equipped ship passed through another ship it was just cause a piece of the ship to just disappear, no collateral explosion necessary AND there is no time lag.</P>

no this wold not work as the item jumping hit the over item it wold be like them hiting it non ftl speed so max speed 2x the speed of ligth. the kkv 100 x speed of ligth

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 mike
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Doesn't matter how fast it is moving, a big enough rock will do just as much damage.

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(@goose)
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@leenewsum,

I really couldn't say how long the delay is. I don't use the Audio Books. I enjoy the actual read. Plus I do the voices in my head so it might end up being disappointing for me at this point.

Goose

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(@leenewsum)
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@goose

Audio Books is the one way for me to enjoy this work.

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@leenewsum

I completely understand. I have a colleague that does the same. Makes his commute more bearable.

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(@thaunisatc-org)
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I love the audio versions I read the books on kindle than listen to the audio versions as they come out I love the voice actors in all the audio books I listen to but I read faster than the audio versions so I do both and the audio versions give the blind a way to enjoy Ryk's work to.

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(@palmer)
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Dose anyone know if the Jung battleship, that the alliance capture (the Ja'cogorg?) then lost. ever had it's memory banks copied and store safely? you would think it was SOP. if so the translation and decryption of that data should be one of intelligence highest priorities (perhaps it's been over looked for now and Dumar will get that going)

I also think that with communication with the PC being cut down to a day's delay. perhaps intelligence analysis and R&D should be carried out in the PC, to cut down on the risk of leaks to the Jung.

Some Tannan's could be sent to the PC to help in the translation of Jung Intel and with the people of others like nadira (Former slave from haven) and prehaps Deliza or other programmers a translation program can be written to instantly convert Jung to English and English to Jung.

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(@four-islands)
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I know that Garrett & Co from Tanna were translating and decrypting what they could of the database. Everything they got access to was relayed to Aurora intelligence, not much was actionable at the time, but we may hear more about it now that the alliance is brain storming.

At the time it probably wasn't possible to create a backup of the data files (technology's aren't always compatible, and who knows what would happen if a full download was attempted without proper security codes being used). I don't think that the alliance expected to lose the ship/station to be honest.

Garrett dieing though, I didn't see that coming. I really wanted him to have a talk with Taggart about teeth.

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(@aroth)
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That future that we seem destined to head towards will make sagas like this impossible. We’ll have swarms of intelligent bots in amazing communication networks providing perfect knowledge of every opponent’s move as soon as they make it. There will be virtually no “fog of war” and no element of surprise.

I think that's an oversimplification. If your opponent has become reliant upon a tech-heavy omniscient surveillance network, that opens up at least a couple different strategies:

1. Hack the communications protocol. The omniscient communications network would naturally need to communicate constantly (and probably omnidirectionally, albeit with strong encryption). If you can capture a bot and get onto the communications channel, you can tamper with all sorts of things. Bonus points if you can also hijack the command/control channel, since there'd likely be one. Or if that's too hard, just note the frequency(ies) that are being used, and blast that entire spectrum with noise.

2. Use plain old subterfuge to telegraph an intent different than your actual one. Your opponent has instant and reliable knowledge of everything you do, so use that to lead them to acting on an inaccurate conclusion by carefully manipulating what information you feed them while keeping your actual plan on lockdown until the last second. Unless the surveillance bots can read minds, they become a perfect mechanism for seeding your enemies with inaccurate information.

And in a context that has FTL travel over long distances it's all kind of moot anyways. Even if everything you do is observed by an unassailable network with 100% reliability, you can outpace both your observable EM emissions and any reports based upon your observed EM emissions. Instantaneous travel is a very good trump card, unless the context also has ansibles (and in great numbers).

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(@four-islands)
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Reality lesson
Even if humanity is able to make fields that nullify the mass of an object, nothing can move faster then light. So depending on where your opponent is, light hours or minutes of time could pass before you see just what happened but it would still be seen before they got to you. Of course that's all mute because nothing in any future system will be able to compete with the resources available to an entire planet. (dropping rocks from orbit you say? - all the way to orbit, you would be tracked, and it only takes a minute course change to knock a rock off target, and you better believe that's going to be a priority for future earth.)

IF FTL Travel becomes possible down the road, its likely to be too costly for anything but interstellar travel to set up colonies and intermittent communications (every few decades)

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(@four-islands)
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But I still like to imagine star trek/wars etc could happen...

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(@goose)
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Reality lesson
Even if humanity is able to make fields that nullify the mass of an object, nothing can move faster then light. So depending on where your opponent is, light hours or minutes of time could pass before you see just what happened but it would still be seen before they got to you. Of course that’s all mute because nothing in any future system will be able to compete with the resources available to an entire planet. (dropping rocks from orbit you say? – all the way to orbit, you would be tracked, and it only takes a minute course change to knock a rock off target, and you better believe that’s going to be a priority for future earth.)

IF FTL Travel becomes possible down the road, its likely to be too costly for anything but interstellar travel to set up colonies and intermittent communications (every few decades)

@fourislands

I shy away from statements like "nothing can travel faster than light" and "man will never go to the moon" and "if God wanted us to fly we'd have wings". Our understanding of the physical universe is incomplete at best. As evidence of this, I humbly submit Quantum Entanglement. As yet it is not travel, but it is faster than light communication between particles.

Goose

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(@four-islands)
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I'm not a knowledgeable person when it comes to science, its not my background. But from what 20 years of scifi has thought me, and what i have picked up from real world space tech gossipy type stuff:

I was under the that Quantum Entanglement is particles reacting instantaneously to one another, but that's a not the same as having a theory on how to incorporate this into a workable solution for future space flight. Communication system maybe, but basic like morse code, and subject to stellar interference etc since we do not know what effects light years of distance will have on QE.

Seriously, how do you accelerate an object irrelevant of mass past light speed. Either a push or pull system can only do so much. Then we need to slow back down.

What it comes down to for me is that folding space or "jumping" about is more reasonable then Warp travel. I think warp travel is the stupidest idea for travel we have conceived based on my (lack of) understanding of science.

All in all though I suspend my disbelief for the enjoyment of a good story. Like this one!

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