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(@loki)
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Why do we assume the Jung don't already have the jump drive? I doubt there were any serious R&D within reach of earth, they probably keep research of top secret tech close to home. They could have stolen plans a year ago but without a functioning jump ship it would have taken years to reach home. Plus just having the plans doesn't mean they can immediately use it without an expert like Abby to fill in the holes. What if the Celestia or Aurora weren't as secret as the fleet believed, they lost the plans and the Jung just haven't been able to utilize them yet? We have already seen a wide variance in tech used on Jung ships. The local commanders might not even know that the Jung homeworld has the jump drive if a spy got the info and took off before the invasion. In a stolen FTL scout ship perhaps? Like one of the ones that came up missing? We could see Cpt Scott kick ass and push the Jung back, even get the avendahl, clear the core worlds and then bam! Jung show up in a jump ship at the end of episode 15! That would keep the Aurora as the underdog and massively change the war for the next part. It would also push the PC into full support even if the Jung don't get there until the next part. That would be a hell of a twist.

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(@four-islands)
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I think some scenes could have been done differently one especially annoyed me. And that is when Aurora/Celestia mined and TOT attacked the Battle Platform in Ep.12.

Why is no one telling off Captain Roselle for wanting to attack the platform even though its already Foldwarping... "How Roselle??? With magic?" because they had said they had no more antimatter mines ready to use again so soon.

Another thing that I'm not sure of is why is it always the front of the Battle Platform that they were attacking in Sol. the other two Forward type arms had they're shields knocked out two in older attacks... why not mix it up some and hit those too. (I know it would be easier menuvering about to attack the front, less speeding up and slowing down, but keep them guessing!!!)

Looking forward to Ep.13 its going to be so cool to see what can be done to the Explorer's.

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 Brad
(@spacefatty01)
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Hi All,

New here. I've read through all 12 books in the past couple weeks. I've enjoyed the light read (I do enjoy the space opera genre).

A couple things to note:

1. I'm glad that the "inconsistency" of Casmir giving the asteroid base to Dumar was closed when Ryk wrote about Casmir getting it back from the Corinarians. I've found a few plot items just pop up, with no back story and it's sometimes a little hard to follow.

2. Didn't a previous book say the plasma weapons were basically ineffective at a range of 500,000km or more? It seems to me that the TOT attack would have to take place at a much greater range than 500,000km, as the weapons have been said to travel the 500,000km near instantly. Improved plasma weapons (missed in the back story)? Also, it appears that the fire rates talked about in previous books have changed (Something that also could have been addressed through upgrades)?

3. Why will it take so many days for the asteroid base to get back to earth? Couldn't they simply jump forward to the gravity assist location, and then jump back to earth? It took less than 90 days to get 1000 lights years and they can't travel 50 in a couple days?

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(@four-islands)
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Best Guess is that the Line the Zurazara is on will bring them into a weak gravity assist, and it will take them near three weeks to turn back to earth. They may hit the Gas Giant at an off angle that requires a re-direct on another Astral body or multiple orbits to line up for orbital insurgence. But yes that annoyed me too. especially with orbit about Jupiter being about 7 hours...

Weapons rate of fire and ranges... best to assume that each book is correcting error's of the previous books. Try not to read to much into it. I remember Ryk mentioning that he is intentionally vague about such things because he wants to let our own imaginations play out the battles... Considering the scale of everything that seems the best thing to do.

It is funny how one plasma turret on the surface of Takara can fire continuously for an hour and the one on the Celestia broke after 12 shots. And that somehow plasma cannons and torpedoes overheat when the Mini rail guns (which have electric arc's firing multiple times a second) don't seem to even get hot... I guess I'm just saying we are operating with less then ideal circumstance and technologies that were never ment to work with each other. If given time the problems facing the aurora with weapons should be sorted out.

Also the 500,000 KM may have been the figures for the range from the surface. The energy bleed may not be that bad, or the addition of a slight face smack of plasma may be the pin that popped the Jung shields. Actually the Plasma fire is not Light speed either but really close to it. I mean the Jung can see those great balls of fire coming at them 🙂

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 Brad
(@spacefatty01)
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It's all speculation eh. I guess I'd like a little bit more of the "why" in some of these situations... I know Ryk said there were no errors... But if that's the case, I'd like to know why facts and abilities change?

Ah, we shall see what comes...

Best Guess is that the Line the Zurazara is on will bring them into a weak gravity assist, and it will take them near three weeks to turn back to earth. They may hit the Gas Giant at an off angle that requires a re-direct on another Astral body or multiple orbits to line up for orbital insurgence. But yes that annoyed me too. especially with orbit about Jupiter being about 7 hours…

Weapons rate of fire and ranges… best to assume that each book is correcting error’s of the previous books. Try not to read to much into it. I remember Ryk mentioning that he is intentionally vague about such things because he wants to let our own imaginations play out the battles… Considering the scale of everything that seems the best thing to do.

It is funny how one plasma turret on the surface of Takara can fire continuously for an hour and the one on the Celestia broke after 12 shots. And that somehow plasma cannons and torpedoes overheat when the Mini rail guns (which have electric arc’s firing multiple times a second) don’t seem to even get hot… I guess I’m just saying we are operating with less then ideal circumstance and technologies that were never ment to work with each other. If given time the problems facing the aurora with weapons should be sorted out.

Also the 500,000 KM may have been the figures for the range from the surface. The energy bleed may not be that bad, or the addition of a slight face smack of plasma may be the pin that popped the Jung shields. Actually the Plasma fire is not Light speed either but really close to it. I mean the Jung can see those great balls of fire coming at them :)

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