I agree it was somebody on the third scout ship for three reason…1) when the Jung invaded they came from the third scout ship recon Area 2). They were an hour overdue when the Jung arrived what happened to them and from rereading celestia cv-02 theEDF never said they came back.3) also toosh is their sensor operator perfect way to hide transmision from him to the Jung allowing him to tell them The new updated targeting instructions. But if the Jung want a working jump drive and now the scout ship has one the spy could sabotage the crew and steal it…granted a covert spy is an added plus for intel but a working jung jump drive would decimate the alliance
Captian Nash has a new commander in Eckart... is he there to spy for Captain Scott? def need someone to check the stasis pods
Captain Roselle was given the role of last resort suicide boomer. That doesn't scream Captain Scott's trust to me. (LT Nash was on Earth and missed the Big Dinner when Dumar spilled the beans on the Falcon Hanger. SO she wouldn't know to include Roselle for the role of Spy.)
Captian Poc has been nothing but supportive and that's cool I guess.
If I turned the President of Earth, I would have him be the savior of earth... then have him gradually push for a truce if the Alliance looks like its winning... Handy fail safe for the Jung.
End of Episode 15: I see the Alliance having the PC and a corridor from Tanna to the Core worlds secured, the Jung in disarray in the rest. With General Bacca and a Jung Leadership Representitive on both the Aurora & the Celestia spreading the news in Jung space...
Part 2 Episode 2(16): Starting with Jung Plan B launching an all out attack on Earth during Peace talks. The capture and release of Jump Drive plans to all Jung ships!!!
There is till alot of PC tech to go into those scout ships. So the idea that, they didn't jump away already so they can't be spies, is mute in this moot debate.
Come on people! It's Capt. Nash..ish There's absolutely no need for a pod malfunction and a captain's death to introduce the scout ships. One thing I've noticed is details like this which may seem unimportant are hardly without purpose. To top it off it happens on the ship of the brother of one of the 4 main characters. What a coincidence that pod malfunction should happen there. Either Capt. Nash is the spy or he dies trying to catch the spy on his ship. Jessica is going to be pissed either way.
As much as I hate to speculate and I think it is more of a distraction to the story, the following points hints to President Scott:
- Jung has mental reconditioning / re-programming capability as demonstrated with Tony. The spy/victim might not even know or can not stop themselves from doing the acts.
- President was captured and in Jung hands for some period of time, Eli practically handed him back to the Alliance despite theatrics at end of Liberation episode.
- General Bacca mentioned how the President was so ill prepared to mentally resist Jung methods of psychological conditioning for such an important individual, unlike Adm. Giliardi (sp?). This was at the end of Celestia episode?
- President Scott got a tour of both Aurora and Karuzari soon after it arrived. It was not mentioned long, but enough to know that he did if you search for his comments on how big it was in conversation with Nathan.
- President Scott has the resources to send msgs to Jung BP command, perhaps through other EDF members reconditioned as well during Jung occupation. He should be joined at the hip with someone to monitor 24/7 if he comes under suspicion, even if they allow him to keep his role.
Basically, all volunteers from Earth are suspect and should be thoroughly checked. Very possible some programmed spies have made it to Tanna, though not much they can do to get info out for now. Same with Tannan population, even though it is less likely as the Jung were not expecting trouble there in a way comparable to Earth.
I can't recall but how big are the KKVs? Are they as big as a railroad car or as small as a coffin? If small do you think they could be mounted under the wings or fuselage of a scoutship/gunship and fired as missles? With a computer crunching coordinates and instant launch capability they could be deadly kinetic weapons in ship to ship engagements. If a rail gun can hit the target then a KKV could. If they miss the target chase them down or self destruct.
Not that the Alliance has space folding tech like the Jung have but what would happen if two objects folding space collided? Just thinking that once they can crack the Jung tech or find something similar in the data ark what would happen if a KKV folding space collided with a battle platform folding space. Destruction of all matter in the universe 🙂
As for everyone's preoccupation with a spy I imagine there are still literally 100s of conditioned spies still on Earth not to mention previous Jung soldiers. Who knows what impact they will have. Hopefully Dumar will go the extra mile in insuring no jump drive is stolen at least until the Alliance can match the Jung in military and economic strength.
Dumar has put a self destruct on All jumpdrives (was at the end of book 12)
The KKVs (which are modified Takaran Comm-Drones) are about the size of a railroad car. They were already mounted on the underside of the scouts in episode 12 in order to move them into positions on demand during the last battle.
As to the collision of two ships folding space? Hmmm. Interesting.
No tantrum, just an expression of the ultimate, all encompassing, irrefutable power of the author.
That's fine but even an author has to introduce some logic in to the how and why. At the basic level, a spy is someone who gets you information you need, why would that spy run risks if (s)he is already in possession of the information in question?
If the spy were someone yet to be introduced you waste alot of potential drama.
And at the same time, if the spy is someone who makes absolutely no sense it doesn't add any drama to the story.
Why would the Jung choose a system 1000 light years away to investigate? My point was they would choose all systems in their fanatical pursuits for power and their knowledge of the panicked dispersal of mankind in relation to the digital plague. Death, a scout ultimately finding nothing and unable to return, would not be a deterrant to the Jung.
Yes but we are talking about a million or more stars in a 1000 LY sphere of space, which means that if there is life in the PC chances are high that there is life anywhere within the sphere of space closer to the Jung and in need of conquering... More importantly, if there are Jung spies in the PC then it seems to me that capturing a freighter or a shuttle in the PC would be simpler than infiltrating the alliance until you are given the ability to betray the secret of the Jump drive.
The PC has one Jump capable warship as far as we know, and a number of others which are unable to jump either because of lack of a jump drive or the political situation, a well placed spy could get the Jung a jump drive much easier.
Siggie, you still have to consider that deep cover may be considered far more valuable than the immediate acquisition of technology. The author, suggesting Jung opperatives may have been on earth for generations, opens the door to anyone being a spy, or perhaps an out of the loop member of a family of deep cover agents. The author has made clear that Nash is a very common name and the Nash family was living close to the Academy, a military target, and yet the entire family came through unscaithed.
You can say there are millions, too many stars, within 1,000 light years but even today we have the ability from earth to determine potential habitable worlds, which greatly reduces that number. Or they could have access to old colonization data bases that showed where most of the colony ships were headed. Or they could have acquired such data bases from the worlds they have been conquoring one after the other for hundreds of years; worlds the earth knows nothing about as they barely established recontact with alpha centori.
Also recon efforts far exceeding expansionn goals would not be out of the question. They would want the worlds with the juiciest technologies first and would need to through a broad net to find them.
I win! Yeah!
First post on these forums after just finishing episode 12.
Lots to absorb, but the question of the spy has me thinking.
I'm inclined to believe that it is one of the Scout captains, or their senior staff. It makes little sense for it to be a longstanding crew member. They had numerous opportunities prior. Also, the battle plan was only known to certain people. The timing of The KKV launches was limited knowledge, and even then near-real time. I don't think it is, but Roselle has me wondering. Captain Nash is an obvious one to point to. New, auspicious circumstances of his promotion and perhaps more access to data than any of the new people.
Here is an interesting thought. Is it just one person? Knowledge of both KKV timing AND the interior of the Karuzara is a very, very short list.
Absolutely loving the series. So very glad I found it.
5. Ens. Agari (Toosh) – well just because a dude frequents the head a lot doesn’t make him a spy! Just how would he be able to communicate with the Jung light years away sitting on the pot – by using the toilet roll tube as a megaphone??
I dunno. I suspect if he's the spy, that's exactly how he's spying. Several times when Jung ships were destroyed, I believe I specifically saw mention of sewage leaking from the debris. That could/would be a very low tech way of leaving passive intelligence behind. You could probably have nanites in your system or something that regularly get updates of battle data. Then all you have to do is relieve yourself and flush to space. A Jung scout ship could have easily come into the system and cold coasted through the debris fields while the BP was en route and transmitted the crappy intel.
I see you were utterly unable to resist. Crappy intel in deed
The question that bugs me the most is how can the Alliance not spot a transmitter that is powerful enough to penetrate the hull (like the one Tony had). Surely the reason for the external communications array is to get signals out through the hull.
The Jung drop they're poop during FTL hops... that is a stupid way of clogging up FTL lanes, even in System that adds to areas of greater density of crap to monitor so as to not crash your really really expensive ships.
It doesn't matter much to the Jung with their space folding. Mass in the way of the FTL lanes doesn't mean jack to them. It could even be beneficial in protecting their home cluster.
