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(@christh)
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Captain of the Avendahl will take care of any stupid lords with delusions of grandeur. and though it wasnt written, Nathan is the one who had to promote Dumar.

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I would agree that the "spy" (if any) has to be either Captain Poc or Captain Nash. That would make a lot of sense. Ryk seems to be setting up Roselle as an unlikely mentor to Nathan (see the last scenes). BUT, the bit about the battle platform "knowing" when the KKVs were going to hit was interesting, and there is a possible explanation that could mean no spy at all. Consier that the Jung have the ability to track linear FTL. This would make more sense to me, as (unless I am mistaken, someone please correct me if so) this is the first time the Jung have seen Takaran-type linear FTL. It seems to make sense that since the Jung are familiar with their own linear FTL (as used on their non-warp ships) they might have a better handle on tracking linear FTL coming "right at them" and they have to have thought of/developed defenses against KKV-type attacks in all their years of experience with it. I know what I just said doesn't make sense from a relativistic physics sense.

To me, the MOST interesting conversation in the book (which no one has commented on yet) is Nathan's conversation with Telles towards the end re: loyalty of the new Ghatazak to the "Alliance" instead of to "Nathan personally". When Nathan asks why can't the Ghatazak just be loyal to the Ghatazak and Telles replies "interesting question", that made me wonder... If the Jung are defeated in Part 1, could Part 2 deal with a Ghatazak uprising or a Ghatazak war for freedom? Wouldn't that be cool!? Ryk is clearly setting up something here, in any event, would love to hear others' thoughts.

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 Tam
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Interestingly, no mention of Dubnyk in this episode.

And my money's on Kovacic.

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Ryk I have some questions:
1) When you wrote that the freighter went back full of fuel did you also mean in special containers in the cargo hold? Or just topped off the tanks like we do with our gas tanks?
2) I understand why the Asteroid had to take the trip to get back into earth orbit, However why keep it in earth orbit?? Why not just put in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter? Would it not be safer there? Kept hidden from the Jung constantly moving about on its own power like a ball in the cup game/conman trick?
3) Why not put a space elevator in the books too? tied to the Lagrange points of the planets? Would it not be easier for Tanna to fuel the ships if they had a Base like this tied to the top of such elevator. You did say the fuel was on planet did you not?
I know with the jump engines smaller ships can just jump to the planet's surface. BUT the bigger ships cant that is why I am suggesting this. Fill the Elevator with everything going down to the planet and the need for smaller cargo vessels that can go to the surface is eliminated. Thus saving fuel costs/usage.

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(@christh)
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Tanna fuel base is the small moon that surprised josh and loki, and Telles and the first squad saved because of its value

the cargo ship went back full so it could sell its extra

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I don't have a problem with the BP getting out of the way of the KKV's in the nick of time.

To fire the KKV:
Aurora transmit track and timing to Falcon/Scout ship.
Faclon/Scout ship change direction and jump away.
Faclon/Scout ship upload target info to KKV.
KKV speed up and FTL.
All in all 3+ minutes to set up.

When The Faclon/Scout ship changes direction and jumps off, you move the BP a random amount and save yourself.

Even if the Faclon/Scout ship is sitting 10+ light minutes out. the BP has a birds eye view of everything in the System when it flys in, when the Aurora or the Celestia jumps in the general direction of the Faclon/Scout ship, assume the order for The KKV is given & FTL out of there.

The Jung have all of the battle data from every engagement in this part of the galaxy. Including a sped up version of all of the Sol battles while in route (as well as the KKV Testing & Placement). So you cannot blame them for not wanting to sit still. mobility is always an advantage.

Of course the possibility of additional advanced tech on the Alpha Centuri BP cannot be ignored. If advanced tech is anywhere its on the BP's

What really bugs me in all this is why the KKV's could not attack the BP from behind... the thing can't turn worth a damn, and even if it FTL's the KKV is right behind it outside of the warpy FTL. It could even track its target for once.

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Actually now that I think of it, I would have liked the none jump fighters to have been mentioned at some point in book 12, as far as I can tell it was the Falcons doing all the flying... the battle of the bad drivers would have been perfect, fire support for the combat shuttles/landers. 🙁 never mind, in my mind they were there!!! and all is right with the world...

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To me, the MOST interesting conversation in the book (which no one has commented on yet) is Nathan’s conversation with Telles towards the end re: loyalty of the new Ghatazak to the “Alliance” instead of to “Nathan personally”. When Nathan asks why can’t the Ghatazak just be loyal to the Ghatazak and Telles replies “interesting question”, that made me wonder… If the Jung are defeated in Part 1, could Part 2 deal with a Ghatazak uprising or a Ghatazak war for freedom? Wouldn’t that be cool!? Ryk is clearly setting up something here, in any event, would love to hear others’ thoughts.

Yes, I found that interesting as well. Certainly there's a possibility of frictions with the Ghatazak in the future, but as it stands now that looks to me just a small possibility. I took it more as an institutionalizing of the Ghatazak. I believe at the time they were discussing the possibility of creating new Ghatazak, and I think "programming" those new recruits with a loyalty to the Ghatazak as an institution solves the problem of whomever they are loyal to going on a power trip, a la Caius, and increases the possibility of Ghatazak soldiers remaining a fixture of the alliance rather than a temporary novelty resource that eventually runs out. But it will be interesting to see how that develops, for sure.

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 Gary
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Now that it has been mentioned the KKV missing could very well be due to the spy. It would point toward a Scout crew member as they would know the timing.

I get the feeling that small fighters as a anti ship weapon are now becoming a thing of the past. Shields and energy weapons seem to have made them a good way to get pilots killed. With jumping it would appear the combat jumpers can do the job, no need to manuver when you can just jump close enough for your turrets to track.

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Tanna fuel base is the small moon that surprised josh and loki, and Telles and the first squad saved because of its value

the cargo ship went back full so it could sell its extra

I understand it went back full BUT did it just have full fuel tanks OR did they put extra fuel into the hold??? (to sell)

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(@swordedge)
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Tanna fuel base is the small moon that surprised josh and loki, and Telles and the first squad saved because of its value

the cargo ship went back full so it could sell its extra

I understand it went back full BUT did it just have full fuel tanks OR did they put extra fuel into the hold??? (to sell)

It went back with everything they could carry. Next book might detail how to carry more. Containers from Earth/Tanna?

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(@eagleone55)
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Ok thanks for that, Now I understand

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Tanna fuel base is the small moon that surprised josh and loki, and Telles and the first squad saved because of its value

the cargo ship went back full so it could sell its extra

I understand it went back full BUT did it just have full fuel tanks OR did they put extra fuel into the hold??? (to sell)
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It went back with everything they could carry. Next book might detail how to carry more. Containers from Earth/Tanna?

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(@richardh)
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It seems to me that now, since fuel is the new currency, the Alliance is going to have to come up with a way to protect the Tanna system.

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(@podmaster)
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I've just finished reading Episode 12 and you haven’t lost the touch (looking forward for next adventure).
Nevertheless I must make a small remark: the jump drives are great to move objects… but to move an all island on Earth probably it’s asking too much of the device.
“Porto Santo” island is not on the Azores archipelago but in Madeira archipelago (further South) – both belonging to Portugal.
In middle of all the fighting small mistakes happen.

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(@swordedge)
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I’ve just finished reading Episode 12 and you haven’t lost the touch (looking forward for next adventure).
Nevertheless I must make a small remark: the jump drives are great to move objects… but to move an all island on Earth probably it’s asking too much of the device.
“Porto Santo” island is not on the Azores archipelago but in Madeira archipelago (further South) – both belonging to Portugal.
In middle of all the fighting small mistakes happen.

Looked it up. http://goo.gl/rosbrh

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