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(@siggie)
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Siggie, it’s also a matter of experience. Nathan and Cam have fought jump-ship battles, the 8 senior EDF officers have not.
Kinda of like giving Lee or Grant command of Patton’s third Army. Lee and Grant were both brilliant civil war generals and after a while would learn tank warfare, but it would take time.

The Celestia’s XO should be put in command of the Karuzara base. Wasn’t his mos supply?

I absolutely agree with you, I would prefer to serve under a young officer who is acting/lacking in his rank but has a lot of combat experience as opposed to someone who has experience being a military leader in peace time but has no combat experience nor does he have experience with the state of the art jump drive. I was pointing out that legally, if the structure and law system of the EDF is modelled after that of the western militaries of today, Nathan Scott would legally have to surrender command to the most senior officer present.

As for the other question, I have not thought of that but it makes sense if the base arrived without a supply officer or he died during the battle. I would personally put him in charge of all logistics since he has in the past shown to have great abilities in the field and is also trained in that field as well. Logistics would be absolutely vital in this war especially for the alliance so having the right officer in that place is crucial.

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 Al
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Ugggh!!! I hate spies!

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WOW!!! what a rush reading this one!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I loved the fact that they could not kill the Jung Battle platform right away. That made the story much better to read, sitting one the edge of my seat reading this Nail biting story(was frustrated too that they could not kill the BP.
I would have taken That Stupid Capt Roselle out and shot him. As far as I am concerned he had no right to chew Nathan out, What an AS#H*LE!! HMMM spy!! I think it might be Nathans Friend Tibbie. I was very suspicious of him right from the beginning.

Capt Nash had the right Idea of setting up a Rail-system for getting jump capable ships off the ground.
I see Ryk too several of our Ideas and used them in this book. The extra spots mentioned in the book for weapons is great' I hope they fill them with more advanced weapons.

Hey while we wait for the next book I can recommend Jeffery J. Burger's Wings Of Steele that story is similar to this one.... Space battles and all with a GOD drive(like a Jumpdrive) there are 3 books so far a 4th is due out in Feb of 2015. Jeffery has a sign up list like Ryk does so you will know when the next book will be out.

Also T. I. Wade's America One series there are 7 books in this one, this is a great read too!!!

RYK all I can say is you did a GREAT!!! job on the rewrites, It was well worth the wait.
THANK YOU RYK!!!

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(@nokomisfl)
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I read the passage twice, but in the last chapter I still don't know why, after the battle and the need to repair the ships and fabricate everything, the Karuzara jumped out on a trip and not returning for a while. I know they didn't destroy enough emitters to keep it from jumping, but with so many damaged and the asteroid's shape probably changing after the collision with the
h platform, wouldn't they risk loping off bits and pieces like when it first jumped?

Also, why not just fabricate new 402s instead of rehabing old ones? Seems they are rebuilding them from the ground up, anyway.

For a book recommendation, I read the eARC of David Weber & Timothy Zahn's Honorverse prequel, A Call to Duty (Manticore Ascendant) last year and it was finally released last week. Several similar themes that would compliment Ryk's series.

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For the Karuzara to be at it's most effective it needs to be close to Earth, not far. Also, the collision with the battle platform, which was more of a glancing blow, didn't really do that much damage to the outside of the asteroid, but more so to the interior facilities.

As to building things from the ground up, with limited resources in the beginning of the effort, overhauling existing space craft is faster and less resource intensive than fabricating and assembling them from the ground up. Its all a matter of balancing priorities against resources and time frames.

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(@nokomisfl)
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For the Karuzara to be at it’s most effective it needs to be close to Earth, not far. Also, the collision with the battle platform, which was more of a glancing blow, didn’t really do that much damage to the outside of the asteroid, but more so to the interior facilities.

OK, then why did the Karuzara leave on a 27 light year trip to Kuiper Four Seven for 37 days after the battle?

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(@siggie)
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OK, then why did the Karuzara leave on a 27 light year trip to Kuiper Four Seven for 37 days after the battle?

I believe it is because the asteroid has no conventional propulsion to speak of and needs to use a specific route to get back to Earth orbit because they jumped during the battle.

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 Gary
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Launch window. I think after they ran into the BP they were not in orbit or in a decaying one as the have yet to install thrusters on the rock. A nice tight orbit allows more possible escape vectors where they will not be just jumping into a void.

Opps, Siggie got it while I was typing.

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(@christh)
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Karuzara jumping out to an asteroid belt area tells they gathered raw materials to repair the asteroid, and have more to generate fabricator fuel.

Nathans buddy as a spy doesn't work cause he was in the celestia as the engineer. His name was Tilly by the way short for Tilardi.

the spy I have no clue yet

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(@ehausgaard)
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Another thing to consider about Dumar. He is a stragetist. Being an Admiral, he can set long term goals and have those under him follow in the proper command structure. Start with "Defeat the Jung". Then break that down into obtainable goals. That will be Dumar's job now that the Alliance has the breathing room to plan out their next steps.

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They jumped toward the only target they were lucky enough to have. It was either that, or wait even longer for another object to line up to allow them to jump their way around and back to Earth.

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I absolutely agree with you, I would prefer to serve under a young officer who is acting/lacking in his rank but has a lot of combat experience as opposed to someone who has experience being a military leader in peace time but has no combat experience nor does he have experience with the state of the art jump drive.

There is the series, Vatta's War by Elizabeth Moon. She was a Marine in the day and probably still has contacts. She too addressed the issue of senior rank with no actual combat experience. I seem to remember this in one or two of David Webbers books too (also ex military). Combat experience matters.

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(@swordedge)
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I had to do a bit of driving and I know me so I waited till tonight to read the book (about 65 pages an hour using my kindle time and the 383 pages listed on the Amazon site). Last book, started at 11 pm and finished at 6 am and ruined my functionality for about a week! Stayed away from here to avoid spoilers.

Loved how an idea I put forth, multi-jumps firing those plasmas so they all hit at once was used. Love how taking the asteroid to Earth was revealed almost immediately. Have decided that captain R something really does respect Nathan.

  • That asteroid needs to maneuver. How about a version of that space warp?
  • The little rocks that were hollowed out, our own battle stations!
  • Build more of those old scouts as the idea of getting up to take a dump in the head is way better then doing it in your suit During those cold coasts.
  • Those idiot Lords are not seeing the opportunity to make money. The Corinari ship captain did right away.
  • I can see a teenage kid walking up to a Ghatazhak soldier and asking him, "how do I join the Alliance Navy?"
  • Now that there is an Alliance Navy, need an academy and such.
  • I was expecting a description of Josh and Loki's first trip into the ocean. Don't remember one
  • Falcon 1 needs three kills put on the ship.

And finally, "Aw Man ... I have to wait for the next book again."

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(@swordedge)
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One more thing. Have Dumar think of this. Need to scout systems around Tanna with local pilots doing most of this work. Need to know the same thing about it as about Earth. At the moment, one ship would ruin everything there.

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(@briang)
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I thought the promotion of Dumar was quite interesting. I'm curious to see how Nathan handles having to follow orders again, particularly given the evolution of his character thus far. Having started by taking leadership only reluctantly and wanting to hand it off as soon as possible, then coming to terms with the fact that there was no one else, and then finally taking ownership of his responsibilities and gaining confidence (as discussed several times in this book) in the role...now all of a sudden he's playing second fiddle. If Dumar orders him to do something he fundamentally disagrees with, how easy will it be for him to carry it out?

I was also pleased to see the means for Tug to regain his family's fortune offered in the establishment of trade between the various Alliance systems. The whole thing does raise any interesting potential source of future conflict, however. Namely, how committed to the Alliance will Ta'Akar be, especially if Tug loses power? Could the Lords revert back to imperialism, only this time with jump drives? If and when the Jung threat is eliminated, might the Alliance then break-up and possibly have to deal with an aggressive and expansionist Ta'Akar? It makes for interesting possibilities.

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